Ash Fox is Documenting Life-Changing Moments: From Rock and Roll to Romance
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Ash Fox is Documenting Life-Changing Moments: From Rock and Roll to Romance

Hey, everybody. Welcome to My Guest Tonight. I'm your host, Jeff Revilla. I've got

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Wow. Well, welcome to the show.

Thank you for having me. Jeff. That was incredible. Honestly, it's always

a nice surprise. It's a little foreshadowing to what we're going to be talking about.

The. For this episode and this podcast is kind of an origin story.

We like to go back to see who you were, to see who you

became, who you are. And. And one of the big themes is going to be

photography. Of. Of this session that was not really a session. This

wasn't therapy. But for photography, was that something you were

drawn to early on? Did you always like looking through the lens of a

camera? No.

The answer, Jeff, is no. I was not.

I was not a photographer. When I was

little. I think I just wanted to be an artist. I was a very

artistic person. I was always making things. I was doing

collages. I would take jeans and

like, remake them. I was always. I was

painting, doing acrylic painting. And then

I went to school for art at nyu and it was a fine art program.

And I was studying esoteric

philosophy around art and theory and making art

based on theory. It was very serious because they were trying to make us into

artists that would show around the world. And while I was actually in school,

I took one photography class. And yes, I had this totally

romantic notion about photography because when I was in school,

it was that little bridge where before everything went digital

at that time, there was still film holding on for, you know,

dear life. Now. Now there. Now there, of course, are people who are still doing

film. But film was, right, the gold standard for all the

years. That's all there was. And then digital came out and people

were slowly shifting over to digital. But we still had a dark

room at nyu. We still had a traditional film class. And I

was so excited to take it, Jeff. I was just. It was so magical and

romantic to me. And I took this class, and I must

tell you, had things never went digital, I never would have become

a photographer. Because what ended up happening to

me was one. I have allergies and I was Allergic to all the chemicals

and then two, I just couldn't get over that you could put

so much work into doing a shoot and then if

just one thing went wrong in the developing, all of the photos

would be ruined. So just, I was very grateful that they

came out with digital photography and. That era too,

of, you know, people were still clinging on to film for a while in the

late 90s, early 90s, they, people were kind of

snobby about, like this is photography, not this digital medium

stuff. And there was, there was this great divide. But over

time we kind of see who won the battle between

digital and this, the classic way of developing,

which is good because that allowed you to maybe

scale, maybe learn faster, you make more

mistakes quicker. Understand looking through that lens and, and

seeing the end result was as you move towards digital,

did you find it maybe not more forgiving, but you got more, more at

bats at taking photos? Absolutely, Jeff. So

it was 2005, when I was in school, 2005

to 2009, so it wasn't quite late 90s, but

it was. I'm speaking from my experience,

but it. Was that tail end where people, yeah, people still

were trying to hold on to these film developing studios and

that romantic notion around film which I still hold dear in

my heart. And I, I recently did a film shoot for a friend

who got engaged and she specifically wanted film, her and her partner. So

we did it and it was amazing and beautiful and we had it professionally

developed. Not me like in the studio, like blowing my nose.

But basically, the funny thing about

my story, Jav, is I never even

played around with a camera before I got hired.

So essentially a friend of mine was

a musician and he was doing all these really cool photo shoots in New York

City and hiring great photographers to shoot him. And

him and I one day just had a conversation. I'm like, these shoots are getting

so expensive. What if you just got a fancy camera?

You and I could just figure this out and play around. And so I encouraged

him to do it and he did. And we were playing around, we were having

so much fun. And then we did a couple shoots and then when it

came time for him to go on tour, he was like doing this pretty cool

tour. He was like, hey, can you come on and be my photographer for it?

So he ended up hiring me and I had never, you know, I really didn't

have experience, but he trusted me because I had an eye and we played around.

So that tour is where I got all my experience learning how to use

this camera and like you said making mistakes and learning, learning

composition and learning how to even use a camera, which was

totally on semi automatic functions in those early days.

And then crazy enough, at the same time, another friend ended up

hiring me to be the photographer for this really cool New York rock

and roll party. And so my first two jobs, I didn't even own my own

camera. I was borrowing other people's cameras. They were set to, you know,

semi automatic settings and. But that's how I learned. I

learned by doing and by working. I learned

on the job. It's kind of like, oh, you go to art school,

you, you can do photography. It's. Yeah. In my world, I've been

a marketing director for 15 years. People still ask me to fix their printer.

I'm like as well. It's kind of the same thing, but not the same thing.

Right, right, exactly. So you're starting to get these jobs and

there is, I think there is some great connection between, you know,

studying fine art, building things and

painting and doing these other aspects of

setting a stage and setting a scene for the, for the

painting that maybe play into, into the photography

into, you know, setting the shot up and getting that perfect shot.

Did you see any of that art school kind of carry,

carry over into just those early shoots with the bands and going

on tour? Yeah, absolutely. Because

part of the one piece of

painting is the, is knowing when to stop. Right. Knowing when you have a

finished piece and a big part. And of course composition, which is present

in photography too. But photography, live photography at least

is so much about timing and like really feeling into that

timing piece. And I think when you're making a piece of art, knowing when, okay,

I've worked enough on this, maybe there's some connection there.

But also I think with photography there's some people,

there's a huge amount of people who get into photography because

one shooting is really fun. They have a passion for it

or they also really love equipment and the technique.

And there's a lot of technique and there's a lot of just

interesting technology and how these cameras are made and

all the new equipment that comes out, that wasn't me. I just

straight up had an eye for composition. So that was

mainly what I was going, going on when I became a photographer. I

mainly was just being like, okay, I just feel like I'm constantly taking mental

pictures of things, just watching life. Like I'd have a

certain framing for things and then I just would be like, okay, put the camera

here. And so. But right. There was more to it. I did have to

learn more technique as I went on. Yeah, that eye for photography

and, you know, walking around and maybe even just like, oh, that could be a

great shot, or this could be a great shot. And. And all those things,

you know, you start taking on other jobs. I'm assuming you. You go beyond

touring in the bands and the local New York scene and

somehow did. Did you shoot or did

a friend ask you to do a proposal? You kind of take a

pivot here a little bit. Oh, yeah.

But they're still tied together. Right? You can do. You do both

on some of these, I believe. Well, the way that it

happened was I was.

I got to my breaking point in this really cool music scene.

So I was in this, like, rock and roll revival music scene that was

happening. Happening in New York around 2010.

And so what was going on right then was there had been this

really cool downtown, like, hipster indie, indie

music scene that was like, what was. Everyone was into, like the. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And all these. The Strokes and all those cool bands. And

I think there was a reaction to that in the rock and roll world was

like, you know, what happened to all these other cool genres

where kind of like the 1980s, the 70s,

where there was a little bit more of a rock star and

fashion were bigger parts of it, I suppose.

I don't even know what I'm saying, because someone could say that the indie rock

scene is totally fashionable and cool, too. It is, but it was a different. It

was more of like a. I don't know if you know what I mean, like

that kind of bravado. Yeah. So people wanted to bring that back. And there was

this really cool scene spearheaded by this amazing DJ

Calcalco. He was a really good friend and he

was starting this new party that was called Ladyland. It was very, very

cool. And it ended up being in all the magazines and

papers. And he ended up using me as the photographer

for this party. And so I absolutely

loved this whole scene. I loved photographing these bands. It was

magical. I love being around other art. I was

just so excited. And Jeff, I was like, you know what? I

think I'm going to be a photographer for Rolling Stone or

Spin, and I'm going to go on tour with bands and this is going to

be my life. It's going to be like Almost Famous. And then everything

just. The rug got pulled out from under me. And basically what happened

was the whole, like, the city stopped supporting this sort

of revival scene. It just was not what people wanted. Everyone wanted hip hop and

pop Music and dance music, edm.

And so they stopped supporting this party to be at different cool

venues and things. And so I ended up having to do

photography for all these nightclubs that were not

what I thought was cool at the time. And I'm with a bunch of drunk

people, people on drugs. And I remember there was a night I

got, like, hit in the face by a girl, like, literally, like, elbowed in the

nose. And the manager, you know, I

had to get my check at the end of the night, and he wants to

sweet talk and, like, not giving my check. And it's like 4 in the morning,

and I'm like, I can't do this anymore. I'm over this nightlife

scene. You know, this is not what I signed up for. So I got to

my breaking point, and I remember talking to my dad, and he was, you know,

like a mentor of mine and still is. And I said,

what do you think? Like, what am I going to do? And he's just like,

you need to do bar mitzvahs,

baptisms, weddings. And I'm like, dad, that's not

cool. You know, I'm a cool rock and roll

photographer. And I felt like a sellout. I'm like, I'm not a

sellout. But I got. I was so burned out, Jeff, that

I needed to make a change. And so that is when

I went on Craigslist. And I'm like, dad, all right, I'm gonna go find some,

you know, regular fun little family events to do. And I started

doing these family events, and truly, I really love them. They were so

sweet. It was exactly what I needed to be doing. I learned a whole new

skill set because these were totally different kinds of events.

Different. They were similar, but different. And I started doing corporate

work as well. And I was doing. I was kind of that Jill of all

trades photographer who does a little bit of everything. And then

one fateful day, a job came in the door,

and it was a man who said, I need you to shoot

my marriage proposal. And this was

around. What year was this? This was like early,

early days. Like maybe 2012. So Instagram

wasn't what it is at all. You know, it hadn't really birthed. It was more

Facebook those days. But you didn't see people posting pictures of their

proposals. Like, the only thing couples and families really would

post is maybe like one picture from their wedding or their honeymoon or

something like that. And so I just was like, what? He wants

his proposals. Photos, graphs of his proposal. This is crazy. Why

would you want that? Because I was like, this is a private, intimate moment. So

I kind of thought it was straigh strange, but it was a job, so I

went and did it. And back then, you know, I wasn't a

proposal expert, you know, like I like or an advisor like I am

now. And so I went to go do this proposal and I just

had my long lens. I showed up, he told me

I have. He told me he had blonde hair, his girlfriend had blonde hair. He

was in a blue shirt, she's in a green dress. Just find us and shoot

the moment. So I'm waiting in this hut, I've got my long lens,

I'm like a sniper, just waiting for that perfect moment. And all of a sudden,

oh, I forgot to ment mentioned he was going to propose on the the lake

in Central park, which is like that famous park in New York,

in a little rowboat that you can take out, which is very cute and romantic.

However, the at the moment. So I'm waiting for him

and at the moment he's about to propose, he turns the

boat in the wrong direction. So now, you know, I

can't swim to go into the water to get the right angle.

So I just had to get what I had to get. And I shoot the

moment. The couple comes out after, they're so

happy, I tell them what happened. I'm like, you know, I got what I could

get. He turned the boat in the wrong direction so we couldn't see her reaction,

but it still came out good. They were so happy. And I said to myself,

huh, this is actually such a romantic,

incredible moment. I think everybody needs photos of this. Like,

this is just amazing, you know, Totally changed my perception. In the

same way that I never knew I'd become a photographer, the same way

that I never knew that I would actually enjoy shooting family

events. This was something totally unexpected too. And

so after that proposal, the craziest thing happened.

The following week I got another email and it was from a mom

planning a proposal for her son on the lake in a

rowboat in Central Park. The words out, it

was exactly the. Same, the same proposal. So I was like,

you are in luck, because I just did a proposal there. I'll help

you with everything. And so I told her, okay, your son needs to come at

this time, he needs to turn the boat at this moment. And like, so everything

worked perfectly. And when we were done, she came to

me and she just said, ash, you don't understand

what this meant to our family. Like, this is your calling in life.

You're Meant to help people with their proposals. And again, like,

I was like, okay, all right. I'm like, I do all

kinds of photography. Not. I didn't think proposals was the

be all, end all for myself. But she was really onto something because

that is exactly what ended up happening. Proposals became my whole. My

whole world, my whole life. And now here I am, like, so

many years later. It's 2025. We've done 3,000 proposals.

We don't just photograph proposals now. We do. Everything we do

is based in photography. We want gorgeous shots. But I help people with the.

With everything, with ideas, with locations, with

strategy, decoys, planning, making sure your partner's surprised,

beautiful decorations, locations, private locations,

public locations, whatever you need. So it's just. It's kind of wild. So

that. That was the beginning. That was my origin story. Yeah. The thing I like

about your story and this niche is you found a business

model where people are at the happiest they may

ever be in their life. And you're there on that day when

capturing this one moment, it's. It's such a great service.

And I like that. Like the mother said, you don't know what you just

gave our family. Like, this is the best gift ever. And

you're able to surround yourself with that time and time again. 3,000

times you got people on their happiest day of their life. It's.

It's like a dream business model if you think of it that way.

I'm just impressed that, you know, how often. I guess. Let me go

back. How often do you have a bad day on a proposal day,

do they ever go sour? Thank goodness they don't.

I mean, no one's ever said no. And we've done so many. So that.

That's wonderful. And I can't take full credit for that. Right.

That's pretty good. Proposers who are good people and that's why no one says

no to them. But things don't go sour.

It's more that. It is what

we do. You're right. I'm so blessed because these are such

happy moments. Like I'm not a funeral photographer or anything like that. Or

worse photographer. There could be a niche there too.

Totally could be. We do proposals and it is a really

just magical happy moment. That's the milestone at the start of the

whole wedding sequence that to follow.

But it is stressful. And you know what? New York

are more primarily in New York, people do planning sessions with me.

People from all over the world, all over the country do planning sessions with me.

Just to get advice on their proposals and I help them. But

first, full service proposal planning. We do that in New York City. And

so New York City is kind of a crazy. You know, I think you live

there, Jeff. Right. Like, it's a, it's a wild, busy,

crazy, crowded, action packed place that has

a lot of logistical. It can be a logistical nightmare at times. So you have

to, you have to coordinate so many different things. And so there's a lot that

goes into, just goes into the proposals. And also, my

clients are at a very tender moment for themselves

because even when you know your partner

wants to marry you, because first of all, you should never propose to anyone if

you don't think that they're going to say yes. But it still is like kind

of tender and vulnerable because you're making this

proclamation to the person you love the most that you're ready to spend your life

with them. There's a lot leading up

to it. It's a big commitment. And also they

love their partner so much. Like, this is their best friend, this is their lover.

They want to make them happy. And I don't think anybody wants to walk away

feeling like my partner, I didn't do enough. Like, they didn't feel,

they didn't feel cherished by what I did. So. So yeah,

there's sometimes some stress riding on. The stakes are high, I

think. Oh, and in New York too, it's sometimes a

guerrilla mission where you, you hop out of a car, you got to get to

the corner to get the shot, and hopefully there's not a lot of people there.

So there's a lot of things are happening in New York all the time. Do

you have any that really jump out at you as like maybe

one of your top favorite events you've ever planned? Oh,

gosh. Okay, so let me think for a minute. There's, there's so

many great ones, and normally what makes them my favorite is not

what the proposal was, but just like the people who were part of it,

because just some great people over the years that I've worked with.

I mean, they're all really special, just big

hearted people who want to do, want to do something really nice and

want to make their partner happy. Okay. A couple of my

favorites just off the top of my head. So you might laugh when I

tell you that one of my favorite proposals. Just because you're a New Yorker, Jeff,

I believe you are. I'm a Pittsburgh. I'm a Pittsburgher. Oh, you're Pittsburgh. I

have been to New York, but I Live in Pittsburgh. You know why I think

you're from New York? Because your studio back there looks like out of New York.

That's my theater. I have a theater for podcasts, like, out here and outside of

Pittsburgh. Wow, that's awesome, Jeff. Okay, well, I'm good. I'm glad you told me

that. I just. You just. I think it's because it's called My Guest Tonight. And

I'm just thinking, like, I'm on. The show.

But basically my favorite. But the reason I say you might laugh at this if

you are a New Yorker, is one of my favorite proposals of all time is

actually in Times Square. And it was a proposal we did for

my client. He's Australian, and he. We got this

giant billboard in the middle of Times Square for him. I

will say I don't recommend Times for billboard proposals

anymore, just because. For a lot of reasons, but this one

was so special to me because generally, I don't get to. I

don't get to hear the guy's speech or the girl's speech,

because that's sort of the private moment. Like, they're just. We're not taping

there. We. Sometimes we do video for the proposals, but we're not

capturing audio around what they say when they propose. And a lot of times

you can't hear it even if you're photographing because you're too kind of far away

to hear what they have to say. But he basically put his speech on the

billboard, and it just. It just made me cry because it was

just so sweet. He said, here we are in

the Big Apple. I'm so grateful to have you on my side.

You're my best friend, my lover. And,

like, the screen was like. And a huge pain in

my ass, but that's

okay because I love you. And then he said,

you know, will you marry me? It just made me cry because it was just

so simple. It was so simple, sweet. It was so cute. And you know what?

People in New York City who live in New York City probably wouldn't want a

proposal on a billboard in Times Square, but they were from Australia,

and so to them, the Big Apple. Like, New Yorkers don't call it that,

but for them, New York's the Big Apple. And, like, to stand in the middle

of Times Square and have this moment, it's just. It's really just so special.

And I feel like, honestly, my job had it. It

made me a less jaded person in a lot of ways, because I think you

can get jaded living in New York and

just thinking that you've seen it all, which you definitely haven't, and

you can get on your high horse about things. And so it's

funny, like, a place like Times Square, which most New Yorkers like to

avoid because they feel like it's all tourists and it's so crowded. It actually

was like this tender moment for me where I was like, wow. Like, I got

to see it through the eyes of my clients who are from all over

the place, all over the world. So that. That's one of my favorites. That's a

great one. If I was a New Yorker, I probably would have had a proposal

at a Graze papaya or a raised pizza or something. I

love it. I love that. So

through the years, not just locally, but globally, you're consulting people,

you're giving them ideas, you're sharing, you know, the experiences that you've had, and

you're building on these, and you've built this phenomenal business.

3,000 engagements total over just over at 13,

14 years so far. That's a pretty good. You know,

every five years, you're doing about, what, 1100.

1100 engagements. Where do you see this

going? Is this something that you. Can you. You

consult with other photographers around the country? Have you started

training people to set up other businesses? Is this a growth

opportunity for you? Maybe franchise model or something? You know

what, Jeff? I haven't even really thought about that,

to be honest with you. It sounds like a good idea. Maybe you could be

my business consultant. I feel like

it's. With my business, it's like one proposal at a

time, usually, because we're always focused on what we have

that week, and there's always a lot of people

who definitely need hands on. I have my. So Tuesday today,

while we're having this podcast, Tuesday is my planning session day.

So it's when I have all my calls with my clients, and we go over

their concepts, their ideas, what they're going to do, game

plans, all of that. It's pretty cool. So by the end of the day, I'm

like, sometimes I'm a little fried. I was thinking that I'm like, jeff, I hope.

I hope I'm not fried after my planning session day. But

a lot of times we're just taking it one proposal at a time. Now,

I do have dreams. I would love to have some

outposts in other places, for sure. I would love to do

proposals in Paris, Rome. And

so we do. So what we do, like I said, is we can help people

from all over the world, like I can consult with people. People do want to

just talk as they're like, hey, I'm thinking about proposing to my girlfriend this way

or that way. But what do you think about this? Because you've seen so many.

What do you think and how should I do it? And how should I ask

her, you know, get her parents involved or her family or she has

or, you know, or this is a second marriage or we already have a child

together. Like, people have all kinds of interesting. Just stories

and backgrounds and uniqueness and how they're trying to go about their

proposal. So I love helping people in that way. But

in New York, we have my team and we have three

photographers that are my, like, trusted within

my brand who, like, learned from me to, like, copy my style. And

we have a style that we like to. To give our clients,

which is just all about, you know, really capturing the moment organically,

but also having with art, with. With artistry

and with art, you know, having artistic flair and with love,

because we all, like, we all feel a lot. And so we're in that moment

with them. And so it's important to all of us, like,

take on the emotions. We get excited with our clients and so that joy comes

through the photos and then we. There's more to it because

we also help our clients with the locations and

helping them with the game plan and the strategy to get there. And then

beautiful decorations depending on what they like. You know, some people are more

understated, some people are more over the top. We have

live musicians sometimes that are proposals playing their favorite songs.

And so, yeah, so that's. So in New York, we can really do it all.

And then we do have VIP clients from time to time. Like,

I had a wonderful client last year from the LA

Rams who. He sent me out to LA to

do his proposal for him in la. And

it was amazing. I was there with them and we did this gorgeous proposal on

a rooftop in Los Angeles and which was totally over the

top with like tons of flowers and giant marry me sign. And

it was. It was pretty epic. And I love doing that one. So we do

do them on location when people have requests. Are you

pretty stealthy with the setups or. Or does the bride to

be or sometimes catch on prior

or. Are you pretty good at making sure it's a surprise? And it's

always a surprise. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, like the way

that. So all of my clients, I give them a game plan

and decoys so that the goal is most.

So most couples today, Jeff. Right. They're not they

know a proposal is coming. Generally, they just don't know when. So my goal is

to make that. That when a surprise. And so I try to

give them a game plan, like a pretty easy to follow,

foolproof game plan to get them to the location. And so

the goal is that she gets to the spot, she's with him, just

walking along. It could be. It could be two

women, two men. It could be all different kinds of people we have doing

proposals. Everybody proposes now, but they get to the location,

and usually she says, oh, this is pretty,

but doesn't know it's for her necessarily. They could be walking in the park, being

like, oh, this is such so pretty. This beautiful gazebo with lights and

candles. Oh, this is pretty. And then he takes her by the hand and she's

like, what? You know, and then he drops to his knee and she's like, oh,

my God. It was for me. So. And then with our rooftops, like our private

proposals, generally they think they're going to something else. So she might think she's going

to, like, a corporate event with him for work or meeting a colleague

or meeting an old friend of his. We even had a client. This was

hilarious. We had a guy, he worked in real estate, and so

he was headed to his rooftop proposal, and we had him tell his girlfriend that

he's picking up some paperwork before dinner for,

like, a contract he just signed, and she goes up with him and she just.

She just died. She's like, this is not what I thought. You know, he proposed

her. It was just so great. She's like, wait, you didn't get the. The contract

wasn't real. No. And even. Oh, an even better one

for Decoy is we had a client. I told him to tell her

that he just bought a new pair of AirPods on Facebook Marketplace, and

he's just got to pick them up before dinner. And she gets up

there and it's like a gorgeous rooftop. And he gets on his knee and she's

like, oh, my gosh. He was so shocked. So it's fun.

Oh, my goodness. So much fun. This is an amazing concept.

It wasn't something I was really familiar with, but when you hear

about what you're doing and the memories that you're building for people

at the moment, the most, you know, precious moment in their lives, it's an

incredible service, an incredible offering. Ash Fox.

The best way for people to get in touch with you or they want to

reach out and plan the proposal of their dreams. How can they do that? Oh,

my Gosh. Well, thank you, Jeff. Thank you for having me. And if you want

to reach out to me, I'd love to talk to you. Whether you're just looking

for inspiration, ideas you want to be like, just look at positive, happy

memories or happy, happy moments. My Instagram's Ash

Fox Proposals, A S, H, F, O, X proposals

with an S at the end. And you can DM us over there.

You can just follow and look at our pretty pictures and video of the proposals

we do. And then if you want to get in touch about your proposal, feel

free to get in touch DM us. We're also on TikTok, Ash

Fox proposals and then my website, Ash Fox proposals dot

com. Awesome. I will have all those links in the show

notes. Let's go back to that theme song. When love is

in the air and your heart's on the line Ashbox

makes the moment perfectly shine. 3000

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proposals into a lifelong dream.

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lights up the dark.

Whatever you're talking about. The. The early days of New York rock and roll.

I watched a great documentary a few years ago called

Meet Me in the Bathroom and it's the story of the Strokes and the. Yeah,

yeah, yeah. And it's a great. If you ever get a chance. I was like,

I wonder. I was like, I wonder if Ash was in the background of any

of those shots. Like, well, you're probably back there taking photo. Than some of the

concerts. It's. Watch that. That's

so cool. That's all. Thanks for telling me that, Jeff. I gotta check that out.

I love. I love all, like, rock and roll documentaries. I watched the Billy Joel

one recently and I just like, did you see that? I loved it so much.

I haven't. I want to check it out. Yeah, once it's like, once that gets

in your blood, like, it's. It's hard to get it out of your system. Like,

I spent 20 years skateboarding and I owned a skate shop and a skate

park. I grew up in punk rock, like, 80s and 90s. Like, I still

listen to the punk rocket. I'm 50 years old now.

It never leaves you. No, it doesn't leave you. Music. They always say that

too. They say the music you listen to in high school is the music you

listen to when you're like 90 years old. I'm in trouble.

I love it.