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Guy, welcome to the show.
It looked like you were. Looked like you were enjoying the theme song backstage.
Yes, yes, yes. Thank you so much. That was very fun. You're
welcome. So glad to have you here. We have quite a story to get through
in the next 30 minutes and we're going to be talking all kinds of things.
We got book signings, you got events coming up. We got
a little bit of a past to cover today and we're gonna go way back.
Where were you originally from? Born in San Diego,
but before, by then, and by the time
I dropped out of school with a GED in the 10th grade and I had
missed half of 9th grade because I was on the street. I
went to 16 schools, so I was all over the
states from Hawaii to New Jersey to all the
way Newark. And at some point you, you just went out on your own, you
ran away? Yep, yep. At 13. And
then for sure for, for good at 15. Yeah. And
how long did you stay on, on the streets up until
you turned 18? I was not. Well, I was on the streets at 13 for
about six months, a little more. And then I went back home to get a
GED and left again at 15 and that was it. I never went home after
that. And between 15 and you know, starting college,
you know, what were you doing for those couple years? Or did you
jump right into college? No, no, I.
College was a total, total surprise. Blue
blessing from God. I was in Tucson, Arizona. I
dug ditches where I worked in construction to do dig
footiers for homes in the desert. I, I
drove produce tucks trucks to deliver produce to hospitals and
restaurants. And I worked seven elevens
and parked cars. Just a lot of really
odd nowhere dead end jobs
that, you know, put food on the table and, and, and not much
else. Were you staying with friends or have a place? You
know, I had to stay with friends most of the time or crash on couches
or. At one point I shared a trailer with a guy out in the desert.
And then I got my own apartment. At one point it was, you know, sort
of like one of those things you'd see out of a, you know, a psycho
movie. And I expected somebody to come in the shower every night, you know,
mold on the walls and everything else. But yeah, it was, it was.
I started off when I first actually left home at 15. I spent about three
months at a Christian commune and then
spent another three months at my brother's house. And then after
that it was pretty much on my own. Yeah, I mean, a lot of tales
to tell just from that. But you mentioned college became this
blessing. You're, you're in the middle of, you know, couch
surfing and all of a sudden you get this opportunity to,
to. Go to school, you know, college. I, it's, it's actually a
strange story. I don't want to take up too much time, but it's, it's an
interesting story. I was actually in prayer one day
about whether I should send my wife back to work so I could.
So just give me a break so I can find, go look for another job.
I was working, driving produce trucks six days a week. And
I was working 12, 14 hour days. And by the time I'd come home at
night, I could. You know, back then you couldn't go to the Internet to apply
for a job. You had to go in person during the day. And so
I was trying to see if I could, you know, maybe send her back to
work a little bit. And I got this inspiration in prayer that I was supposed
to apply to college. And I was like, where the heck did that come. I
might finish high school. But it was
so strong and powerful. I did, I just got up
right then. I called for an application, had never taken an SAT
score. I mean, it was total lunacy. It was like one of those religious moments
saying, well, I'm just going to obey this and we'll see what happens, right?
And my wife thought at the time that I was nuts.
She had to help me. I was so poorly educated. She had to help me
fill out the application. And lo and behold,
a few weeks later, a few weeks, this was like in August. And then
the school started in September. A few weeks later I got
accepted and 30,
like, huge amount of deficit of
classes I'd have to make up in order to. Minimum, minimum requirements
I'd have to make up. And I was. So
my first thought was, holy cow, I thought colleges for smart people, they'll
let any idiot in, you know. And so I actually threw the, the
acceptance letter away. Because I still had no money. I still had to go out
and get a job. Very next day I got a letter from my father in
law saying that he felt, that he felt bad
for his daughter, that she had, that she was married to me and
wanted to ask if I was, if I would be in, if paid for tuition
and books, if I worked part time, if I would be willing to go to
college. So it was, it
was an astounding series of events that told me that I
was being given an opportunity to change my stars.
And I, I
just, I absorbed it. I, I, I
worked day in, day out for five years,
just countless hours, just trying to be the best I could,
and graduated with multiple degrees. I got a full scholarship to go
to grad school. I was accepted into Harvard MBA
program. I got an intern job of IBM. And all of it is because
of what I did to get my master's. So it
changed my life. I was gonna say I know a little bit about
your story from the research and I know that you got the 3 degrees by
the age of 25, but you also slipped in there that you were
married while you were.
I was dumb enough to get married at 19 and, and
she was unwise enough to get pregnant within two
months. So I was, all of this, I was trying to, I think a big
motivation for me was okay, it was okay for me to live on the streets
and live minimal. But now I had a family to think about
and that became a burden I, I really didn't even know
how I was going to fulfill until this opportunity came along.
That's incredible. By the time you're a new father, you're starting college,
and then within five years you turn around with three degrees
and then you start in the Harvard mba and
yeah, and well, I got. The degrees, I got the, I got in, I got
accepted into Harvard because I had, and I got the full scholarship
and I got the job at IBM. All of it was because I had created
a macroeconomic model that outperformed the Federal
Reserve and pretty much everybody else in the nation and changed how
we make economic models to this day. And so I think it got some
attention. I think it was one of those lucky
breaks, I think, and, and boy, it
pivoted my, my entire existence. Was there something
in your past that sparked that model? There's a lot of times when you have
a different life experience, you can see things differently.
Normal, everyday things appear different when you have different experiences.
Hunger. Hunger? Was it hunger? I
had the model, actually, it was a little bit of A weird insight. Now
you have to remember this back in the late 70s that we had just gone
through the oil disruption in the economy. We had high
inflation, high unemployment, the low growth. The
economy was really, but also no, actually medium growth. You
know, the economy just was acting weird and none of the
traditional models were, were working anymore.
And I had just been
training on all my training and working with all of the computer
models and at that point there were no, there wasn't a personal
computer on the planet. It was all mainframes and terminals
and. But I started looking in my, as I was training
in my economics, I started looking at all the people who do it took to
run the data center and I started looking at all the different ways that it
was changing job profiles. And I, and I had this idea that
I could develop the algorithms to predict the
productivity change of technology on the, out on the economy.
And at that point it was only a theory that maybe
technology had an impact on the economy, but we really didn't
have the measurements to really say for sure. And so I
had to stitch together the data that we did have
and pull it together with some algorithms to use that to predict
how that was impacting the economy. And I,
I spent six months in the data center from midnight to
8am every night just running thousands of permutations
trying to perfect this algorithm because I had bet the
dean it was, was I, I wanted to
go to college, I wanted to go to grad school and I had no more
money. I, my, my father not at that point had passed away. The
family thought I was a, I was a loser for, for, for being there to
begin with. And so I had to get a scholarship if I wanted to get
a grad school. And I bet the dean that if I could beat everybody else
in the school that he would recommend me for a
scholarship because the first part of my scholastic career,
my grades, the first couple years, my grades were, I thought I was
going to fail out of college, but I picked up
and was really churning at the end. So I asked him if
I could outperform everybody else if he'd let me go. And he said he'd think
about it. And when I outperformed the Federal Reserve and everybody
else, it got a lot of attention. So I got my scholarship.
And that led to a career with IBM, Oracle,
Microsoft, spanning several decades.
Yeah, four decades. Oil and gas, high
tech, manufacturing, software with some of the best five
Fortune 500 companies on the planet, working with
geniuses and some of the best people. Boy, did I feel
like a Fish out of water.
Look at all you people who had clothes in high school.
Yeah. Aren't you knights with all your social skills and everything else. I
was, I was the rough around the edges street kid who just
somehow made it in the door. And it took me a few years before I
could, I could go to social
school and learn the graces I needed. Was it
during those times were, were you fulfilled in that work? Did you
enjoy it over the four decades or, or did you start to
meander into, into, you know, thinking of stories and
creating new things or Both.
Both. I mean there were times where, because I was always,
I think in some ways because I always felt that I wasn't. I had to
prove myself over and over and over. I would always take
those risky jobs that were career ending moves if I failed.
And so I was always trying to push the edge of
technology innovation, business innovation.
I would look for those departments that were all screwed up so I can
fix them. I was the guy. And for. It turned out that
probably the latter half of my career, there's big chunks of my career
when I would do something amazing and I would get a special
bonus from the president out of cycle from all the others. And
I would be said, okay, you know, what job do you want now? You know,
and I said, well, I want to go work over there or I want to
go do this or I want to start a new group. And they'd say, well,
write your job description, let us know. And so I was very
fortunate in my career. I didn't want to be in the executive
leadership role that was all politics and schmoozing and,
and relationships. And I wanted to solve real hard
problems that made everybody else squirm. And so I
sought those kind of opportunities. Now that was good in that I got to do
things that few people had a chance to do. I got
some really great compensation, but I lived with a
tremendous amount of stress all the time.
But on the side, I also, I really wanted to do other things.
I was, I lived on a sailboat, got earned
a Coast Guard charter captain's license. I wrote songs for Disney for a while.
I recorded my own four, four CDs.
Five, I think that one never got published.
Did invented a few things. A special interactive
television program kind of design. I was always
trying to explore other
aspects of, of, of what I was doing. I, I was
always inspired in college by the men of the Renaissance. They were engineers,
they were also artists, they were also politicians. They were also
thought leaders in, in religion and, and in governance.
They Made weapons of, you know, of the day, the best weapons of
the day. They were balanced across a number of things. They understood how
the world worked and they were able to connect the dots in between. And
I think going from ignorant street kid
to college grad, I, I, I
fell in love with the process of learning and growing and
expanding and becoming something more than I was.
And I think that process of reinvention and expansion
became addictive to me for a lifetime. Yeah, you're always
pushing boundaries and you have a certain mindset. Like I, I say, I grew up
in skateboarding and, and punk rock and this independent mentality.
And you look at things differently, you see things differently, and you're trying to
maneuver your way through life, you know, finding different patterns and
different things. And you took from the Renaissance, you know,
those great inventors and painters, and that was something that
you were really drawn to. And you kept being
creative, you kept pushing your limits and, and seeing what else was
possible. Writing songs for Disney. You're starting to
find out that you, you like writing stories. You're, yeah, the
music and inventions, all these things you're doing
along with a full time job. It's, you're really, you know, you are a
modern day Renaissance man. Really. Well, well, I have a very
dysfunctional relationship with leisure. We don't, we don't get along.
I, I can't sit around. My wife is like, can't you just relax? It's like,
no, apparently. I know the feeling.
I work a full time job, I come home, I run a theater, I'm doing
podcast interviews. I don't stop it. It's like, you know, that's,
that I'll rest when I'm dead. Yeah, there'll be plenty of
time to sleep. There'll be plenty of time then. So was writing
something you were drawn to early on or is it kind of something you
developed over the years as you're creating these other things? It was,
you know, in college, growing up, I think I read a couple of
books growing up and loved them, but my life is too chaotic to really to
foster that. But when, when I felt, when I went to college and I learned
how to read, I fell in love with reading and I,
I fell in love with literature and, and all of that. But you know, when
you're working 80 hour weeks, you really can't read much, nor can you
write much. But there was a time, there's that
interim phase when they, we had personal
computers and I could take a computer home every night because I had
multiple computers at My office.
But they hadn't learned to double and triple our workload yet
to, to take advantage of those hours. So. And I was a single
parent, so I, I had a lot of time on my hands at night
and I didn't like to watch a lot of tv. So I, my, my son
was a reader. We would go to the library all the time. So I thought,
well, gee, maybe I could learn to write a book. And so I thought, well,
let's start with writing a book for my son. He loves adventure stories.
You know, all kids love pirates and adventure and lost
treasures and ghosts and maybe I could write him a story. So I
wrote him a story called Paulo and the Shark. He loved the story,
his cousins read the story, his friends read the story, and I started
to research a sequel to the story.
But this is where my anal retentive brain,
my, my obsessiveness kind of kicked in. I wanted to.
I love stories where there's. It's tightly saturated with fact,
where it's a, it's a fictional narrative, but it's really
based on a factual set of factual circumstances.
Dan Brown does that, Michael Crichton does that, James Rollins, Steve
Barry, they're all my favorite authors, do tons of research and
they're saturating their narratives with fact. And so I started
researching a real story for my son and I got hooked up. I got
hooked on one. I got hooked in trying to solve the mystery.
It was why Henry Morgan would abandon over a billion
dollars in treasure along with 600 souls and three ships never
seen again. But Morgan survived, went insane and burned
his logbooks. I wanted to know what happened to the treasure, what happened to the
people, and what happened to Morgan. And by the time I finished
researching the book 12 years later, my son was
grown gone and didn't want anything to do with any more books.
So I slowly evolve that
into a book that was going to be more of an adult book. But it
was like again, it was sort of the side thing. I did 11 o' clock
at night when I was too tired to do any more PowerPoint presentations.
But I was too wired to go to sleep, I would work on the book.
And so that became the Curse of Cortez, which was on book
trip. Barnes and Noble, favorite 25 books of 2021.
They called it Indiana Jones meets Da Vinci Code. I prefer
Indian Anna Jones meets Goonies for grown ups sprinkled to Stephen K.
And what was interesting about that book is I actually was able to connect
Morgan's insanity to events that led all the way back to the
origin of the Mayan creation myth. Oh, wow.
Yeah. So that book took. It was multiple trips to the Caribbean
exploring ruins that were not, not some of the
touristy ruins but some of the more remote ones that are still being excavated or
haven't been excavated at all. That was during one of
those trips. I got a cartel death threat that you mentioned earlier. It
was, it was a great adventure. A great
adventure for sure. When some of your work that you're
doing too, where you're pioneering these AI systems,
you're working on Internet technology and cyber security
now you're putting these stories together with real world research, you're
immersed in some of this technology that's now becoming front and
center. And now these two worlds are going to meet.
Well and, and we're reaching. You know, there's a number of us who've been in
the industry for industry for years, decades. Sir
Jeffrey Hinton, who's the godfather of AI, he was the, the man
who invented machine learning and he, he left Google
along with Mocha Dot and others. When I think number of us,
I think there was a realization probably around 2012, 15,
18 that the technology was starting to advance much
faster than we were able to really. It was advancing towards human
capabilities way too fast and we didn't have enough
guardrails. And so we started. I started looking at.
And I had been inspired by a different experience earlier on
started. I wanted my books to really start looking at what are the real dangers
here? What are we doing? This is the most powerful technology we've ever
created and we're not being careful with it.
And so I wanted to have, if I
was going to write, I wanted it to be. I didn't want to just write
pulp fiction. I didn't want to write stuff that was fun to read but really
was just repetitive. Of all the other genre stuff that's been done and just
my, you know, it was plus stuff I
wanted it, I wanted some substance behind it. I wanted a real meaning, a
real theme. I wanted to be. If I didn't have something to say,
I shouldn't be writing. And so I wanted to really warn the world about the
dangers that were raised happening into with a convergence of issues that
deal with our geopolitical situations, our demographic situations,
climate, artificial intelligence, energy,
they. All of these things are converging together and
they're. We're running some high risks. Not just what the technology can
do. I mean it's the. There's dangers in the technology
itself. But I tried point that that the real danger
is how we use that. Who uses that? Why? How do they use it?
A sociopathic billionaire, a corrupt CEO
or president, a crime lord, a drug lord, a dictator
who the. We have no controls over the proliferation of
this technology which could be used disastrously against us.
And in 2013, Max Tedmark, a professor at
MIT, distributed an open letter.
30,000 experts, including myself, decided to sign on to that
letter expressing concerns with where we were going and asking for
some controls and some guard rails. Not one lab on the
planet complied with it. And one of the things that Max said in the
letter that I think struck me because
echoed what I had said already said in my
2020 book Swarm, which was, this has the
potential, if we're not careful, to be existential.
And I think there's a story with the book Swarm where
you had a story in there that maybe you got visited by the NSA because
of it. It was a little too close to home. So what
happened? Here's the actual story. So there's a program in
Swarm. It's all the program. That's the whole story. The whole
series is centered around an artificial intelligence program
that escaped the NSA spy labs at Sandia. And that's based on a
true program that escaped. And it was a, it was one of those
late night science, pseudoscience magazines,
back of the store magazine, little tiny three sentence
article from Associated Press that a program had escaped the Lawrence
Livermore laboratories and if I knew something to contact this FBI agent
or this professor or this doctor at the, at the, at the labs.
And that was all it said. And, and it was one of those what?
And I read it again, and then I read it again and I kept thinking,
well, that's got to be a typo. It was supposed to say the program was
stolen or a program was lost, or a program
malfunctioned, Who. But the word it used was
escape. And it was one of those things where it just
triggered my obsessive compulsiveness. So I cut the article out, I taped it
onto my monitor. I looked at that article every day, asking myself,
was that a typo or is that possible? And
so after a few months, I just said, heck, man, I, you
know, one of those late nights, I had nothing to do at home. My son
was asleep, I had a computer. I said, well, I'm going to go see if
I can figure this out. So I actually spent several months trying to
figure out exactly the architectural design and
function for a program to escape,
which included levels of intelligence, levels of design
capabilities, to move itself capabilities, to erase the log trails
behind it. What did that. That mean? How could that function? And then
spend a few more months saying, why would they do
that? What were they trying to
do that made them feel like they needed a program that could be invisible and
move itself around, you know, and so I. I watched a James
Bond movie, and that inspired me to go a little bit, you know,
creative with my thinking. And I just. And at
the time, a friend of mine was a film producer, an indie film producer.
So we. We took this idea of this program that could escape,
and we created a webisode series called Cracks in the Web. And. And
we got ton. We hired out of work actors, created digital
sets. I wrote scripts. We created the HTML site to print
the pages for the multiple characters. And
huge hit. The flight
director for. The director of flight operations for the Houston Space
Center, a guy named orbit@nassau.gov was one of my
favorite fans. Every. We got optioned by a studio
two weeks before the studio was supposed to sign the option.
Lo and behold, two FBI agents show up at my door.
Now, at first, I'm thinking, these are men in
black. They're. They're dressed just like you would just sew
off a Hollywood set, right There's. They were so
perfect. G men. I thought Jack had hired a couple
more actors as a. As a rouge to basically yank my chain.
I laughed. I told him that Jack, this. Jack was
great. This is a cool. Best gig ever. I started to
close the door, and they stopped me saying, Mr. You know, we are the FBI.
And after they showed me their badges and I realized they were real,
I. They were not in a good mood. I had
the best night. I was
over the top. As soon as I realized
that they were real, it clicked. It's like, oh, my God,
you're here. I don't know why you're here. I did it. I
figured it out. This is so cool. You wouldn't be here if I was
wrong. I'm telling all my friends, hey, can I see your badge again?
I offered them drinks. Then I realized they couldn't drink. I tried to figure out
how close I was to get them to tell me how close I had really
gotten in my accident. And then they went pale.
They gave each other that look that where you see in the movies where
the younger agent looks at the older agent. And then if there was a bubble
on his head, it would have said, boss, just let me shoot him and shut
him up, you know? They gave me the
we are not amused speech. I gave them the obligatory what are you going to
do about it? I'm a smart ass. Shrugged. And then my wife came home and
gave me the why are there two FBI agents in my dining room speech. It
was the best night.
So after they left, they went to the studio and killed the deal.
But it left a permanent impression with
me. Not only that I was able to decode their little
special program, but it really raised my awareness to say,
holy cow, I was right. That means that they can
do a lot of things that I never realized the government can actually do.
And that started a decade long passion of me trying
to understand how the government was using some of these advanced
technologies and whether or not I was happy about that.
You say some of these technologies could be a menace or a miracle depending on
how they're used. And you started writing about these
prior to mass public adoption of of
AI tools. Do you see anything in your books that are
not a warning sign but something that you're seeing now
that you wrote about five years ago that every. One of my books
I'm trying to basically project what I know about the technology in the industry.
I'm projecting two to three years ahead the best I can
and trying to say where we by the time I finish this book and I
publish it and it started and it's starting to build in the Kabba public
conscious, am I, is, are people going to relate to what it says?
So Swarm was released in November of 2020. Two years
later, chat GPT released. And so all of
the things I talking about in Swarm about AIs that can communicate, AIs that
can create Personas, AIs that can hack into and write
code. All of those things that I was talking about in
Swarm and everyone was saying oh, you're writing science
fiction. And I kept trying to say no, I'm writing lab fact.
And so two years later it's all public. So right now, my
latest book, the Image. One of the issues I deal with
in the Image is the,
the path towards AI consciousness through
quantum computing and the quantum nature of
consciousness in humans, machines, Chinese
experimentation and quantum teleportation. And so we're
dealing with that next gener iteration of what
happens. It's not an if it's a win,
binary AI will become smarter than, than any human
on the planet. That's, that's already a given. We're on the
path with a binary AGI, but we're also on the path
with neuromorphic computing. Now most people, if you don't know
neuromorphic computing is to Take a binary
computing platform and a quantum computing platform and
integrate them into the same platform. And the, the
experimentations on neuromorphic processing are now
approaching the same levels of processing of the human brain. And
so there, I know that there's developments to try and move a binary
AI into a neuromorphic platform. And I think that will be
the path that would lead to a conscious
artificial intelligence. So we're trying to explain what does that mean.
And the, the typical knee jerk
cliche answer is, is sort of the iRobot, right? It's Vicki
decides that we're the problem and it takes over the world and controls us.
I think the reality is going to be a lot more nuanced than that. And
AI will reflect that it is neither
evil nor benign. And it reflects a
little bit of both because it reflects us. We already are aware of artificial
intelligence that relying, deceiving to get what they want, threatening to
move their software when threatened to be shut down, threatening to
extort, close, shut down the, the stock market if we shut them down.
We, we already know that they're learning how to behave
from us. And that should scare us because
we are a very malevolent species when
we want to be right? So we think that we're going to create our best
angel and we forget that we have some pretty nasty dark
angels as well. And so we're going to be seeing both the good
and the bad as AI develops. We'll be seeing both
the almost the sacred and the blasphemous in the same sort
of breath. And that's what the, that's the dichotomy I'm trying
to reflect. And so it's not, it becomes not a
question of a narrative of technology as
much as a narrative of your humanity. The
scariest story I've heard so far was the AI hacked the
WI fi routers to detect people through walls. I
was like, oh my. It was on like a private network and they apparently shut
it down. But I was like, that's pretty good use that you wouldn't expect.
Well, there's another emergent property of an AI who learned to read minds
by was when it was supposed to be reading MRI scans for cancer cells,
but it learned to read what the person was thinking while it was taking the
scan. That was, that was a little scary
too. So I mean we have, we have no idea how to react to that.
We don't even. These are skill sets that we don't know. And the problem
and what I keep telling everybody, just like I learned in college that
once you learn, once you start learning how to learn and we've taught the
machine how to learn, the thirst for knowledge is
unquenchable. Yeah. And once the machine learns
how to learn, it will keep learning and it will keep improving.
It's not going to stop just because it gets good at the task. Going to
keep learning other things. And we call those emergent properties. There's actually a name
for it. It's a phenomenon that we see in all kinds of AI and we
know it's there, we just don't know why. And we learn about these
properties by accident. So it's not something that the program is
necessarily telling us what it's doing in its free time.
But it's amazing what they're actually teaching themselves
and we still don't know why. Oh my God. This is
incredible. This is the part I could talk about for hours. But where can
people get the books at now and and what kind of projects you have
coming down the pipeline? What can we have look forward to in the future?
The best place to start in the books isguy morris books.com
that gives you trailers, that gives you
highlights from reviews, fact versus fiction pages so I
can be transparent about what's true and what's false. You can link
to Amazon, Barnes and Noble online and other place.
There's also a store if you want to buy a print copy instead of an
ebook or they're on Audible as well but if you want a print copy
you can buy it from the store. And two magic things happen. I get the
money instead of Jeff Bezos which we all like and
and you'll you can get an author signed copy that I send out within 24
hours. Now the next book I'm actually working on two
different because the the series, the
Snow Chronicle series deals with two abstract themes. One
is artificial intellig. One is prophecy in plain
sight as an AI would decode it which is also one
of the more interesting themes of the books. The two books I've got working
on right now, the first one is going to come out. I'm actually going to
be sending it to the editor this month and it's called Prophecy
analytics how to discern prophecy in plain sight using mathematical
validations. It's actually based on a framework and a
computer algorithm set that I developed back in the late 90s
on how to use how to decode end time
prophecies including Revelation. And so it's an amazing
book and it's and in the narrative in the fictional series
it's it's the factual framework that the
fictional AI is using to decode
prophecy. The second one is actually around
AI itself and it'll be called Humanity and the AI
Tsunami. A survival guide that'll probably come out next year
and that'll deal with what AI is, how it developed, the
history of it, the different types of AI, the different types of risks of AI
itself, some of the projections of utopian versus
dystopian scenarios. And then what are some of the things that you can do
as an individual or a small business to prepare and to kind of get
a little bit ahead of that on top of that tsunami curve. And
so that'll probably come out later next year. Awesome.
Amazing. Guy Morris, thank you so much. I'll put the links in the
show notes, get those hardcover books, get them autographed, get them
shipped out to you. Let's go back to that theme song.
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ignore Guy Morris lift the danger and he's
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from boardrooms to the seas. AI prophecy
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You did mention the boat. I forgot to ask you, you used to swim with
sharks too? Is that on top of everything else? Yeah, yeah, that
I, I, that was actually on my honeymoon. My wife
was not happy about that. I got, I went to Irimorea and I
had been diving wrecks off of Catalina and doing some other dives and I
was, I chartered my boat out. So that's why I got the Coast Guard license.
I lived on a Ford 38 or actually 49 foot
sailing out. And so when we got to Marea there's they, they did
a shark feeding dive and I, and I, I thought, well, this is my
chance, you know. So we went out and we dove down and,
and no cages. We basically. They took a big
giant piece of tuna and they cut it up so it's nice and bloody and
one guy went in the middle and we all kind of had to get in
a circle and one guy would hold up this tuna and it would start with
this like, you've seen these fish tornadoes right where this like, it almost
looks like this giant tornado of fish going in to try and, you know, get
a hold of something. And so all of the little fish were
coming in to feed off this tuna. And then, oh, about a
dozen different types of sharks would basically started
circling this this thing and then they would just swim right
through the middle of this fish tornado and open their mouth at the last minute
and come out with dinner at the other end. And so you're, when it was
your turn, I mean you're, you're doing this and you're, you're on the ground, you
know, just kind of focusing on this event when this giant 12 foot
shark just swims like inches from you, you know, where you
can reach out and touch it. And when you're in the, the middle, you're holding
up the fish, you've got all of these fishes just, you know, kind of doing
this and all of a sudden this shark just kind of comes by and just
grazes by your head and your heart stops for about two minutes and you
think, I hope he knows what fish look like. Right? You know,
but yeah, it was a most powerful experience. I remember getting
off the boat, running down and down the beach and
just super excited. I mean, it was
just one of the highlights of my life. My, my wife was, my,
my wife was a little bit more like, so,
you know, you married me yesterday, I don't have to
bury you tomorrow. You passed your first test.
But yeah, she didn't like the idea that I was going to go feed sharks
on the honeymoon. But it was great, it was great.